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Plato likened us all to charioteers trying to control two wayward horses. The steeds represent the competing wants and desires that constantly pull us off course and away from a happier life.
Yale professor Tamar Gendler joins Dr. Laurie Santos to examine how the ancient Greek philosopher didn’t only diagnose the internal tensions we all face, but also offered a cure. The horses can be made to pull in the direction you command… but each must be coaxed in the right way.

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Dr. Laurie Santos

Dr. Laurie Santos is Professor of Psychology and Head of Silliman College at Yale University. Professor and podcast host Dr. Laurie Santos is an expert on human cognition and the…